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Comments on: emotional attachment to machines https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/ aging idealist. ai and education, open web, open publishing. Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:06:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.4 By: jeremy clarke https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6078 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:06:11 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6078 New, bigger version of the BigDog robot?

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6049 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:08:28 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6049 @jer: ha! good point. i guess I should revise my: “go little guy, go” … to “go, little guy … hey wait… hey! don’t hurt me … whimper ….”

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By: jeremy clarke https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6038 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:57:45 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6038 Don’t have time to read all the great stuff above, just want to say I totally aggree. The kick made me feel very strange and worrisome (i’m pretty sensitive about animals and how people treat them), but the fact that it didn’t fall down was almost weirder. When we kick the robot and it stays up we know we are in trouble ;)

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6026 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:57:22 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6026 @tommy: yes that’s it, that the movement “looks” sentient, so we react accordingly.

@steve: referencing tommy above, i’d say it’s along the lines of: designers are realizing that nature is a fabulous engineer, and mimicking lifeforms is probably a good design strategy.

so, it’s interesting to me that the *movement* is resulting in an emotional reaction – ie not only is is good (ie efficient) design, but it’s transmitting far more information than a robot on wheels.

and maybe that’s how I should have phrased it: that movement transmits an enormous amount of information that we perhaps overlook.

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By: Steven Mansour https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6025 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:52:14 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6025 s other people’s stories. But there’s something different, exciting, and scary happening here. Watch this, and tell me what you feel when a) the guy kicks the machine, and b) the machine slips on the ice.</blockquote> PC gamers have known this feeling well for years. In a well-constructed universe where the characters are clearly presented and defined, you quickly build "bonds" and affection for different inhabitants of the game universe (this is different than film or literature, where the user is a passive consumer of "other people's stories"). There are cooperative war games games where mixed teams of AI and human players compete against groups; the human players can respawn / be revived when they die, whereas the AI players cannot - once they are gone, they are gone for good. You see the human players protecting the AI ones much more ferociously than their fellow humans. It's probably a peculiar sight to a non-gamer. <blockquote>I found it heartbreaking watching the machine try to keep its balance on the ice. “Go little guy, go!” I thought. And I thought the guy was a real jerk for kicking it… yet I’ve kicked many a machine that hasn’t done what I wanted it to do.</blockquote> Like Zeke, I didn't have the same reaction as you since I knew the context (US Military funding, the guy kicking is just one of the developers testing it, it'll probably be less cute once it's mounted with rifles and toxic gas grenades, etc). It is said that some part of the personality of the designer always finds its way into their creation. There are probably several scientific reasons why the machines moves the way it does, but also a few non-scientific ones, ie "This is the way I think a mule should walk, based on how I've seen mules walk in the past." The same, again, goes for in-game AI characters - many of them share lots of traits with their developers, and afford a level of involvement and interactivity with the player that you don't get from reading a book or watching a film.]]>

Usually these attachments are built on the stories that surround, for instance, our teddy bears – stories we create. In the case of cartoons, it’s other people’s stories.

But there’s something different, exciting, and scary happening here. Watch this, and tell me what you feel when a) the guy kicks the machine, and b) the machine slips on the ice.

PC gamers have known this feeling well for years. In a well-constructed universe where the characters are clearly presented and defined, you quickly build “bonds” and affection for different inhabitants of the game universe (this is different than film or literature, where the user is a passive consumer of “other people’s stories”). There are cooperative war games games where mixed teams of AI and human players compete against groups; the human players can respawn / be revived when they die, whereas the AI players cannot – once they are gone, they are gone for good. You see the human players protecting the AI ones much more ferociously than their fellow humans.

It’s probably a peculiar sight to a non-gamer.

I found it heartbreaking watching the machine try to keep its balance on the ice. “Go little guy, go!” I thought. And I thought the guy was a real jerk for kicking it… yet I’ve kicked many a machine that hasn’t done what I wanted it to do.

Like Zeke, I didn’t have the same reaction as you since I knew the context (US Military funding, the guy kicking is just one of the developers testing it, it’ll probably be less cute once it’s mounted with rifles and toxic gas grenades, etc).

It is said that some part of the personality of the designer always finds its way into their creation. There are probably several scientific reasons why the machines moves the way it does, but also a few non-scientific ones, ie “This is the way I think a mule should walk, based on how I’ve seen mules walk in the past.”

The same, again, goes for in-game AI characters – many of them share lots of traits with their developers, and afford a level of involvement and interactivity with the player that you don’t get from reading a book or watching a film.

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By: Tommy https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6024 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:50:12 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6024 I think, those feelings came from the fact that those robots have legs, and act like human beings or animals. Therefore you can imagine and even “share feelings of the robots” when they slip, walk, are being kicked.

I think that, those feelings would have been totaly different if the robots had wheel instead of legs. Except if you are in a wheelchair i guess !? ;)

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6021 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:17:27 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6021 of course there is a difference. jeeze, you guys are so hung up on death & destruction.

but you better shape up soon, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGxdgNJ_lZM

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By: mir https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6019 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:25:06 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6019 Gotta say that little four-legged dog/horse machine struck me as creepy, admittedly when it was getting kicked in the arse, I felt bad, but only in the sense of seeing anything get kicked tends to provoke an involuntary sympathy reaction.

As for the wind/walker, that’s amazing.

But don’t you think even on the level of emotional response there is a qualitative difference between looking at a moving wind-powered scaffolding and looking at a robotic war dog?

There was for me, the context of their creation and the aesthetics and philosophies at work in the creation are so clearly present as difference in the two forms.

Just wondering?

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6018 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:33:37 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6018 i’m not surprised that it is funded by the army.

how do you feel when it’s slipping on the ice?

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By: Zeke https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/comment-page-1/#comment-6017 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:15:54 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2008/04/05/emotional-attachment-to-machines/#comment-6017 Howdy!

BigDog was (and is) funded by and for the US Army. Becoming emotional about it strikes me as being sorta like calling a gun “cute.”

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