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Comments on: why is funding good stuff so hard? https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/ aging idealist. ai and education, open web, open publishing. Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:31:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: mir https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1470 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:31:35 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1470 I think to a large extent it has to do with how easy it is to translate a need into simple words.

Some needs are simple, (not to sound crass but) homelessness, war-children. It is not any challenge to understand the pressing need for people to support these causes.

Something like a tech literacy project is seen as more of a frill, so then the language of “helping” has to struggle to find a vocabulary to make it seem like a “cause” that people can believe in – rather than what it is, IMHO: a necessary skill-set that gets neglected through traditional education practice to the detriment of peoples quality of life.

So then the ’cause’ borrows the language of economic determinism, and says learning to be creative and techy will get you work – I mean that’s not my underlying reason for thinking a project like DLP should get funding, but it works.

It is not simple to explain why digital literacy is worth support, nor to find the ‘sectors” in which that support can be found. I think that’s the main problem.

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1429 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:14:10 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1429 t get killed by credit card companies." HM: Right, so having a service designed for philanthropy, where you deposit, say, $250, the service takes a flat fee, then all micropays are allowed would overcome this in the same way that itunes does. tho in the case of itunes, the real way they overcome it is that they are taking a big cut of each sale - but i see what you mean re: credit card cos. HR: "people are willing to go through it for purchases > 20$ but didn’t bother for stuff like 5$ or less." HM: i think part of this has to do with the technologies and culture. 5 years ago, you could have said, people don't write on the web because it's too difficult to learn HTML. wordpress, blogger, moveabletype changed that. so, could the blockage here be changed by the right mix of tools and approach? HR: "Amazon Flexible Payments,"... HM: cool, will check em out.]]> HR: “the biggest problem on “micropay” or “microdonations” are the transaction costs. iTunes music store go past this hurdle by regrouping transactions for their customers so that they don’t get killed by credit card companies.”

HM: Right, so having a service designed for philanthropy, where you deposit, say, $250, the service takes a flat fee, then all micropays are allowed would overcome this in the same way that itunes does. tho in the case of itunes, the real way they overcome it is that they are taking a big cut of each sale – but i see what you mean re: credit card cos.

HR: “people are willing to go through it for purchases > 20$ but didn’t bother for stuff like 5$ or less.”

HM: i think part of this has to do with the technologies and culture. 5 years ago, you could have said, people don’t write on the web because it’s too difficult to learn HTML. wordpress, blogger, moveabletype changed that. so, could the blockage here be changed by the right mix of tools and approach?

HR: “Amazon Flexible Payments,”…

HM: cool, will check em out.

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By: heri https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1428 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:39:53 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1428 the biggest problem on “micropay” or “microdonations” are the transaction costs.

iTunes music store go past this hurdle by regrouping transactions for their customers so that they don’t get killed by credit card companies.

another problem is the mental barrier associated to a transaction, and this is why all micropayments startups failed 5 years ago. startups realized that people in general always go through the justification process when buying something (“is this product/service worth it?”); people are willing to go through it for purchases > 20$ but didn’t bother for stuff like 5$ or less.

hopefully, there are new technologies that can overcome like this, the most notable being Amazon Flexible Payments, which allows the creation of third party services you just described. If i was in the US, i’d definetely create something (it requires a US bank account to operate)

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1427 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:16:32 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1427 my point is not so much that it’s *harder* for digital projects to get funding from traditional sources (individuals, foundations, govt & the like), tho maybe it is, i don’t know. fundraising of any stripe is a painful pain in the ass.

rather, i’m saying that “we” should be building more/better tools to make it easier to get (and maybe more importantly give) funding. the net is built in large part to move data – writing, images, audio, video – around. we’ve spent lots of time and effort making easy tools to do that for many things (eg. wordpress, flickr, itunes, youtube).

it’s also good at moving money around (ebay, amazon, itunes, etc).

but it seems the tools/ideas are not around, or visible, or fun enough to move philanthropic money around well. or maybe it’s cultural. maybe peolpe don’t want to give funding to such projects, I don’t know.

I do know, there is no lack of money in the world, it’s just not circulated very well or widely.

maybe I am naive, but i think part of the problem might be (just a theory) that the tools are not easy/fun enough, not well enough integrated into daily online life.

maybe i’m wrong.

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By: mtl3p https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1426 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:47:21 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1426 actually – but yes I agree that it is hard for non-traditional public interest projects to get funding from existing channels. I think it just takes hammering away.

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By: mtl3p https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1425 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:46:33 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1425 or, people doing internet work might have to learn fundraising skills just like everyone else. Womens’ shelters, non-digital literacy skills, etc – they all need to be able to argue their relevance to funders and to attract people with money to commit to their project. Plus ca change … At least that’s what I’m figuring on and working towards.

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1424 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:43:22 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1424 well there are a number of neat web intiatives, that’s one, kiva.org, and givemeaning.org to name a couple.

but still it’s just not… easy? current? obvious? widespread? … enough. it’s still really an ad-hoc, aside kind of thing.

would be nice to see it better integrated into (my) online life.

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By: Mat https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-1423 Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:17:00 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/10/01/why-is-funding-good-stuff-so-hard/#comment-1423 Saw this linked to from Fred Wilson’s blog:

http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/viewChallenge.html?id=17150

Might be similar to what you’re thinking?

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