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Comments on: URGENT: zeke and a court injunction https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/ aging idealist. ai and education, open web, open publishing. Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:06:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.4 By: hughmcguire.net · zeke hand redux https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-831 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:06:59 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-831 […] updates on the story of Zeke & Mr. Tremblay. The court session was held June 21, arguments were made, and now … we wait again till […]

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By: Zeke « Chicagoan in Montreal https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-712 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:02:54 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-712 […] synopsis’ of the situation and the turn of events see this article by Steve and this blog post by Hugh. Hugh’s post also has a very good discussion about it in the […]

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-702 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:22:57 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-702 so, sifting thru some issues as they become a little more clear:

1. zeke was required to take down the offending posts by court injunction.

2. zeke took down the rest of his posts *voluntarily*, in order to avoid any problems before the june 21 hearing.

3. zeke is a gallery owner, and hence a “competitor” (tho if you know zeke’s indie gallery, calling them “competitors” is a bit of a farce), of mr. tremblay (also a gallery owner), and so must be more careful about what he writes – legally, ethically, and sensibly.

4. my objection is court rulings against a blogger linking to documents in the public record.

5. I have no problem with bloggers getting sued for libel, if what they say is libelous.

6. Once writing determined to be, or expected to be libelous been removed from a site, then the rest of the site should be allowed to live in peace.

7. @christian, the story *should* be built up to the extent that it could have a negative impact on people’s ability to write & link freely about things, short of libel. In the case that there is no legal impact on our ability to write (ie no court ruling barring people from linking to stories in the pubic record), then you are correct, this is a matter for zeke to sort out.

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By: Zeke https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-701 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:02:25 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-701 Howdy!

If anyone is interested, I just came across this:
http://tinyurl.com/2welne a list of some of the other times, M. Tremblay has sued people and the results.

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By: Christian https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-700 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:37:50 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-700 Hi there. Although I am sorry for what’s happening to Zeke, my opinion is that the bloggers community should not build up this story anymore.

First, mixing mafia with a fellow competitor’s reputation (even if journalists may do so) in a too short post was not very clever. Second, publicizing private talks with his lawyer was (1) not very fair (2) irresponsible because you should have perfectly guessed what the next step would be, Zeke. (3) Publishing the blue papers was totally stupid. Quite obviously, you never do that to a lawyer or you get prepared to pay the bill.

Now bringing the freedom of speech issue and requesting legal aid from tax payers in order to avoid predictable consequences of above mentioned acts is another proof of bad judgment. I am really sorry to say that but my feeling is that you should have stepped back a long time ago. Everyone can make mistakes but repeating them ad libitum and pretending to be a poor victim at the same time simply does not make sense.

That’s my opinion and I must tell you that I have waited a long time to express it in public but that I am certainly not alone to think that way. Please do not involve the larger bloggers community into your own troubles, thank you.

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-699 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:39:09 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-699 next hearing june 2, 9:30am, not sure where.

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By: Shawna https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-698 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:37:17 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-698 I blogged about this (directing people here) .. is it in contempt of court to post judgements and lawyer letters during a court case? When and where is the next court hearing exactly?

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By: Zeke https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-697 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:00:12 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-697 Howdy!

After talking with my lawyer guy, I decided it was best to take it down entirely. The judgment itself isn’t clear on what has to be removed, so I thought it best to err on the side of caution.

It is most likely and hopefully only a temporary (although tedious) move. 2,481 posts, each one taking three clicks in order to remove it without deleting it. I’m amazed that I don’t have a splint or a cast on my hand.

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By: Michael https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-696 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:49:21 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-696 Chris, if you’re reading, can you clarify if you shut your blog down on principle or if someone demanded that it be closed beyond just removing the supposedly offending material? I’m not clear on that point.

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By: Hugh https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/comment-page-1/#comment-691 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:19:58 +0000 https://hughmcguire.net/2007/06/18/urgent-zeke-and-a-court-injunction/#comment-691 My big wtf is how the WHOLE blog got shut down. I mean, the offending posts were already gone…. so why shut down the rest of it? Doesn’t that make you nervous?

I gather Zeke got in trouble for posting about the legal issues as they arose (and was found potentially in contempt of court): posting the judgment, lawyers letters online etc.

But again, aren’t these things in the public record?

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