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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2009/03/09/computers-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8190</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, thinking back to my big first year lectures, where Queen&#039;s packed 250-300 students into a lecture hall to &quot;learn&quot; Physics or Chem from a better or worse prof slapping on the overheads ... maybe this is a question of reaping &amp; sowing. If you give students an unengaging learning environment, then is it their fault if they are not engaged? Some lectures I just did not attend because there was no point: it was easier to learn from the textbook, rather than suffering through class. Other classes were the same.

But I think there is a big difference between university, where the students are supposedly adults, and elementary &amp; high school. though there again, maybe there is a bigger question about how to better engage students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, thinking back to my big first year lectures, where Queen&#8217;s packed 250-300 students into a lecture hall to &#8220;learn&#8221; Physics or Chem from a better or worse prof slapping on the overheads &#8230; maybe this is a question of reaping &#038; sowing. If you give students an unengaging learning environment, then is it their fault if they are not engaged? Some lectures I just did not attend because there was no point: it was easier to learn from the textbook, rather than suffering through class. Other classes were the same.</p>
<p>But I think there is a big difference between university, where the students are supposedly adults, and elementary &#038; high school. though there again, maybe there is a bigger question about how to better engage students.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Miall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Miall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would generally side with those who believe an instructor should be empowered to ban any electronic device they want in class, unless that device has a specific purpose. I have sat in classes with grad students and 3rd/4th year undergrads, and seen people simply surfing the Net, checking their email, updating their Facebook -- not only while the instructor is talking, but also while other students are giving presentations. It&#039;s enormously distracting and disrespectful, and undermines the learning atmosphere we strive to build. The Internet is, of course, a wonderful thing -- or else I wouldn&#039;t be here! -- but it does tend to shorten people&#039;s attention spans. Students especially would benefit from learning to sit still and pay attention for long periods of time. Even if they&#039;re bored, that&#039;s good for &#039;em, I say. It&#039;s when your mind wanders that you come across wonderful discoveries of your own. We don&#039;t need endless amusement.

For the record, I believe so strongly in this that last year, I took a fellow student aside after class and chastised him for his disrespectful computer use during a student presentation. He didn&#039;t have a single good excuse for using the computer in class. I bet he&#039;s far from alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would generally side with those who believe an instructor should be empowered to ban any electronic device they want in class, unless that device has a specific purpose. I have sat in classes with grad students and 3rd/4th year undergrads, and seen people simply surfing the Net, checking their email, updating their Facebook &#8212; not only while the instructor is talking, but also while other students are giving presentations. It&#8217;s enormously distracting and disrespectful, and undermines the learning atmosphere we strive to build. The Internet is, of course, a wonderful thing &#8212; or else I wouldn&#8217;t be here! &#8212; but it does tend to shorten people&#8217;s attention spans. Students especially would benefit from learning to sit still and pay attention for long periods of time. Even if they&#8217;re bored, that&#8217;s good for &#8216;em, I say. It&#8217;s when your mind wanders that you come across wonderful discoveries of your own. We don&#8217;t need endless amusement.</p>
<p>For the record, I believe so strongly in this that last year, I took a fellow student aside after class and chastised him for his disrespectful computer use during a student presentation. He didn&#8217;t have a single good excuse for using the computer in class. I bet he&#8217;s far from alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Miall</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2009/03/09/computers-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8187</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Miall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would generally side with those who believe an instructor should be empowered to ban any electronic device they want in class, unless that device has a specific purpose. I have sat in classes with grad students and 3rd/4th year undergrads, and seen people simply surfing the Net, checking their email, updating their Facebook -- not only while the instructor is talking, but also while other students are giving presentations. It&#039;s enormously distracting and disrespectful, and undermines the learning atmosphere we strive to build. The Internet is, of course, a wonderful thing -- or else I wouldn&#039;t be here! -- but it does tend to shortern people&#039;s attention spans. Students especially would benefit from learning to sit still and pay attention for long periods of time. Even if they&#039;re bored, that&#039;s good for &#039;em, I say. It&#039;s when your mind wanders that you come across wonderful discoveries of your own. We don&#039;t need endless amusement.

For the record, I believe so strongly in this that last year, I took a fellow student aside after class and chastised him for his disrespectful computer use during a student presentation. He didn&#039;t have a single good excuse for using the computer in class. I bet he&#039;s far from alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would generally side with those who believe an instructor should be empowered to ban any electronic device they want in class, unless that device has a specific purpose. I have sat in classes with grad students and 3rd/4th year undergrads, and seen people simply surfing the Net, checking their email, updating their Facebook &#8212; not only while the instructor is talking, but also while other students are giving presentations. It&#8217;s enormously distracting and disrespectful, and undermines the learning atmosphere we strive to build. The Internet is, of course, a wonderful thing &#8212; or else I wouldn&#8217;t be here! &#8212; but it does tend to shortern people&#8217;s attention spans. Students especially would benefit from learning to sit still and pay attention for long periods of time. Even if they&#8217;re bored, that&#8217;s good for &#8216;em, I say. It&#8217;s when your mind wanders that you come across wonderful discoveries of your own. We don&#8217;t need endless amusement.</p>
<p>For the record, I believe so strongly in this that last year, I took a fellow student aside after class and chastised him for his disrespectful computer use during a student presentation. He didn&#8217;t have a single good excuse for using the computer in class. I bet he&#8217;s far from alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Moonah</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2009/03/09/computers-in-the-classroom/comment-page-1/#comment-8184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Moonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, I&#039;m not aware of any studies on this myself but I think once you get into any kind of post-secondary environment in particular, it&#039;s going to be very hard to generalize.

A few years ago I taught a class at Ryerson to IT management students about the uses of &quot;multimedia&quot; (that probably dates it, when was the last time you heard that term?) in business.  It was a lab with computers, 40 students with BIG-ass 17&quot; CRTs.  I know for certain that many of them were not listening or looking at me when I spoke, but at that level I always figure the students break out into basically 3 groups 1) those that will pay attention, 2) those that are already ahead of you and don&#039;t necessarily need to hear what you have to say and 3) those that don&#039;t care and won&#039;t care, no matter what you say.

That said, I do think teachers should be able to control their classroom environments, but I feel that for adult students, the responsibility to learn is their own, and there&#039;s only so much you&#039;re going to do to overcome distraction and/or apathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, I&#8217;m not aware of any studies on this myself but I think once you get into any kind of post-secondary environment in particular, it&#8217;s going to be very hard to generalize.</p>
<p>A few years ago I taught a class at Ryerson to IT management students about the uses of &#8220;multimedia&#8221; (that probably dates it, when was the last time you heard that term?) in business.  It was a lab with computers, 40 students with BIG-ass 17&#8243; CRTs.  I know for certain that many of them were not listening or looking at me when I spoke, but at that level I always figure the students break out into basically 3 groups 1) those that will pay attention, 2) those that are already ahead of you and don&#8217;t necessarily need to hear what you have to say and 3) those that don&#8217;t care and won&#8217;t care, no matter what you say.</p>
<p>That said, I do think teachers should be able to control their classroom environments, but I feel that for adult students, the responsibility to learn is their own, and there&#8217;s only so much you&#8217;re going to do to overcome distraction and/or apathy.</p>
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