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	<title>Comments on: LibriVox: Apologia</title>
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		<title>By: miette</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/16/librivox-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-5556</link>
		<dc:creator>miette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, it&#039;s so wondrous to see how many people are fanning the fires you&#039;ve started in Internets Forest.  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, it&#8217;s so wondrous to see how many people are fanning the fires you&#8217;ve started in Internets Forest.  Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: elena</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/16/librivox-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-5552</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, it&#039;s not exactly ad idem, but some last days i can&#039;t open the page librivox.org, also as a link from this blog. I&#039;m a recurrent user of this resource, which is very important  in my efforts of studing European languages (My native language is Russian). So i has found this blog but don&#039;t see any word about some problem with the site librivox.org (or i miss something?).

Is it only the problem of mine? All others sites open OK in my IE.

Thanks in advance for any recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, it&#8217;s not exactly ad idem, but some last days i can&#8217;t open the page librivox.org, also as a link from this blog. I&#8217;m a recurrent user of this resource, which is very important  in my efforts of studing European languages (My native language is Russian). So i has found this blog but don&#8217;t see any word about some problem with the site librivox.org (or i miss something?).</p>
<p>Is it only the problem of mine? All others sites open OK in my IE.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance for any recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh... we&#039;ve got this conversation spread nicely around the web now, on 4 different sites!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh&#8230; we&#8217;ve got this conversation spread nicely around the web now, on 4 different sites!</p>
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		<title>By: Reading, Listening, and Form: Or, where is literature? &#171; Read, Write, Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reading, Listening, and Form: Or, where is literature? &#171; Read, Write, Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Books, literacy, literature, Orality, Reading  Hugh Mcguire from over at Librivox (and also at hughmcguire.net) left some very good comments on a couple of my recent posts, and also posted them to an online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Books, literacy, literature, Orality, Reading  Hugh Mcguire from over at Librivox (and also at hughmcguire.net) left some very good comments on a couple of my recent posts, and also posted them to an online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kerry Powers</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/16/librivox-apologia/comment-page-1/#comment-5548</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kerry Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, thanks so much for the extended responses to my own thinking, and also for posting it to your forum at librivox. I’ve very much enjoyed reading through the various responses and reflections people have offered about the kinds of experiences they have had with Librivox particularly, and with audiobooks more generally. Obviously, beyond the general mission you emphasize in your own post, there’s a way in which Librivox functions as an online community. So I’m much more the visitor who’s wandered in to temple from off the street without his head covering and prayer shawl. It’s been useful to see what the particular concerns and convictions of people in this corner of the literary world entail.

I was going to post a response on your forum, but discovered I couldn’t get on since I’m not a member. And I thought I would defer for now, at least until I become more of a listener than a reader. I’m going to blog a bit over the next couple of days on some of the issues that you and your fellow librivoxians raise in the forum. Especially the following questions/themes: Are people who read a book and people who listen to one being read experiencing the same “work of literature,” something you seem to suggest in your earlier comments, and something several of the respondents on your forum state explicitly? What is the relationship between amateurism, professionalism, and evaluation in cultural work pursued online, such as that done by a place like Librivox? Finally, is there a potential conflict between the mission to be a library and the desire to be a community of readers/listeners, the one a form of public service and resource with forms of responsibility outside itself, the other serving its own internal purposes regardless of connections to others.

(I actually may not get around to blogging on this since it seems more internal to Librivox itself, and since I’m not part of the group it’s not really my business what Librivox wants to be….In any case, I was struck by your sense that Librivox serves as a kind of library. On the other hand, I keep finding myself wishing it would be MORE of a library so that it would be more of a public service. One thing libraries always do is serve as initial points of evaluation and categorization, ordering and directing reading experiences in particular ways–even if only in saying, these things are worth purchasing and putting on our shelves, but really much beyond that. Librivox doesn’t really want to go that way–which is perfectly fine since by definition it can do what it wants in this regard. But because it doesn’t want to do some of that work, it becomes much less useful than a library for someone like me who is a casual patron. It’s more like a repository or a vault. When I ask, “what readers are really worth my time to listen to, and what books translate well from written to spoken form,” I feel a bit as if I’m being told “Oh, they are all equally wonderful, plunge on in.” 

Would that there were time. Because of this I end up dabbling here and there and if I’m lucky I run across someone I think can really read, who is reading a book that works well in spoken form.

Nothing wrong with that, but it does limit to accident what is otherwise an enjoyable experience for me as someone who’s not likely to be a deep user of Librivox.

In any case, I hope you’ll pass on my thanks to the other folks on your forum. Their thinking–and passion!–has been very helpful. And please feel free to come back and carry on these disputations if you’d like. As I say, I’m probably going to post a couple of things over the next couple of days on these general issues, if not about Librivox specifically.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, thanks so much for the extended responses to my own thinking, and also for posting it to your forum at librivox. I’ve very much enjoyed reading through the various responses and reflections people have offered about the kinds of experiences they have had with Librivox particularly, and with audiobooks more generally. Obviously, beyond the general mission you emphasize in your own post, there’s a way in which Librivox functions as an online community. So I’m much more the visitor who’s wandered in to temple from off the street without his head covering and prayer shawl. It’s been useful to see what the particular concerns and convictions of people in this corner of the literary world entail.</p>
<p>I was going to post a response on your forum, but discovered I couldn’t get on since I’m not a member. And I thought I would defer for now, at least until I become more of a listener than a reader. I’m going to blog a bit over the next couple of days on some of the issues that you and your fellow librivoxians raise in the forum. Especially the following questions/themes: Are people who read a book and people who listen to one being read experiencing the same “work of literature,” something you seem to suggest in your earlier comments, and something several of the respondents on your forum state explicitly? What is the relationship between amateurism, professionalism, and evaluation in cultural work pursued online, such as that done by a place like Librivox? Finally, is there a potential conflict between the mission to be a library and the desire to be a community of readers/listeners, the one a form of public service and resource with forms of responsibility outside itself, the other serving its own internal purposes regardless of connections to others.</p>
<p>(I actually may not get around to blogging on this since it seems more internal to Librivox itself, and since I’m not part of the group it’s not really my business what Librivox wants to be….In any case, I was struck by your sense that Librivox serves as a kind of library. On the other hand, I keep finding myself wishing it would be MORE of a library so that it would be more of a public service. One thing libraries always do is serve as initial points of evaluation and categorization, ordering and directing reading experiences in particular ways–even if only in saying, these things are worth purchasing and putting on our shelves, but really much beyond that. Librivox doesn’t really want to go that way–which is perfectly fine since by definition it can do what it wants in this regard. But because it doesn’t want to do some of that work, it becomes much less useful than a library for someone like me who is a casual patron. It’s more like a repository or a vault. When I ask, “what readers are really worth my time to listen to, and what books translate well from written to spoken form,” I feel a bit as if I’m being told “Oh, they are all equally wonderful, plunge on in.” </p>
<p>Would that there were time. Because of this I end up dabbling here and there and if I’m lucky I run across someone I think can really read, who is reading a book that works well in spoken form.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that, but it does limit to accident what is otherwise an enjoyable experience for me as someone who’s not likely to be a deep user of Librivox.</p>
<p>In any case, I hope you’ll pass on my thanks to the other folks on your forum. Their thinking–and passion!–has been very helpful. And please feel free to come back and carry on these disputations if you’d like. As I say, I’m probably going to post a couple of things over the next couple of days on these general issues, if not about Librivox specifically.</p>
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