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	<title>Comments on: open movement?</title>
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	<description>at the intersection of technology, philosophy, and politics (and some other things).</description>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5540</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i assume you've seen this? http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/216

like howard,  think the world is waking up to the realization that we can create more value for more people by giving and working together (to whatever limited degree) rather than purely competing.

but i think we need to be careful about some of the examples that are cited.  the ultimatum dilemma applies to a lot of online collaboration, i think.  would wikipedia (or librivox for that matter) have been as successful (that is, built such a large community of volunteers) if the sites had an explicit profit motive for the founders?  i imagine people would have been less inclined to give freely of their time if they knew they were putting money in someone else's pocket, and getting for themselves only the ambiguous "improvement of the whole" type of benefit.

i think the future lies is this kind of collaborative model, but where greater reward flows (i mean financial) come to the contributors.  a "new economy" if you will, though the terms comes with so much baggage it pains me to use it.

giving stuff away ties into the above. an ecosystem of tangible rewards i think will have to materialize to incent the community's continued participation in such projects, especially as they see "open source" companies like mysql cash out for $1B

with regards to free access to information, that already is (essentially) a reality... the future lies in putting filters on the information to make it more useful to people in their day to day lives (like everyblock.com)

so if there is a tie that binds the future of these movements together, i think it's that the loop needs to be closed back in on the contributors for this movement to become sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i assume you&#8217;ve seen this? <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/216" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/216</a></p>
<p>like howard,  think the world is waking up to the realization that we can create more value for more people by giving and working together (to whatever limited degree) rather than purely competing.</p>
<p>but i think we need to be careful about some of the examples that are cited.  the ultimatum dilemma applies to a lot of online collaboration, i think.  would wikipedia (or librivox for that matter) have been as successful (that is, built such a large community of volunteers) if the sites had an explicit profit motive for the founders?  i imagine people would have been less inclined to give freely of their time if they knew they were putting money in someone else&#8217;s pocket, and getting for themselves only the ambiguous &#8220;improvement of the whole&#8221; type of benefit.</p>
<p>i think the future lies is this kind of collaborative model, but where greater reward flows (i mean financial) come to the contributors.  a &#8220;new economy&#8221; if you will, though the terms comes with so much baggage it pains me to use it.</p>
<p>giving stuff away ties into the above. an ecosystem of tangible rewards i think will have to materialize to incent the community&#8217;s continued participation in such projects, especially as they see &#8220;open source&#8221; companies like mysql cash out for $1B</p>
<p>with regards to free access to information, that already is (essentially) a reality&#8230; the future lies in putting filters on the information to make it more useful to people in their day to day lives (like everyblock.com)</p>
<p>so if there is a tie that binds the future of these movements together, i think it&#8217;s that the loop needs to be closed back in on the contributors for this movement to become sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5528</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thinking.  will get back to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thinking.  will get back to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5527</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, but missed in there is open collaboration, which is the other side of things that needs to be caught in the idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, but missed in there is open collaboration, which is the other side of things that needs to be caught in the idea</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chapman</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5524</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, I see your point, though I think those things can all be covered by a sufficiently broad definition of 'culture'. (and there are two ways to read it... 'culture that's free' and 'the culture of making things free'... I expect that's intentional, but I haven't read Lessig's book)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, I see your point, though I think those things can all be covered by a sufficiently broad definition of &#8216;culture&#8217;. (and there are two ways to read it&#8230; &#8216;culture that&#8217;s free&#8217; and &#8216;the culture of making things free&#8217;&#8230; I expect that&#8217;s intentional, but I haven&#8217;t read Lessig&#8217;s book)</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5523</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well it's much more than culture. business. software. collaboration. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it&#8217;s much more than culture. business. software. collaboration. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Chapman</title>
		<link>http://hughmcguire.net/2008/02/14/open-movement/#comment-5522</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free culture movement?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement" rel="nofollow">Free culture movement?</a></p>
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