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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s not that simple. Facebook collects structured, specific information that makes it ridiculously easy for them / their partners / application developers / a good hacker to build a complete psychological (or other) profile on you.&quot;

I agree, but it&#039;s a matter of degrees. for a touchy-feely version of a nice way to scrape &amp; track blogs with certain text strings (eg. &quot;i hate george bush&quot;), see: 
http://www.wefeelfine.org/

facebook hands it all over on a silver platter in structured format, true, but every time we post and link; every time someone else links to us; everytime we sign up using openid, we are structuring data too - for &quot;them&quot; and for &quot;us.&quot; not to mention all the other stuff you don&#039;t do: post/tag in flickr &amp; delicious &amp; twitter etc.

so yes, facebook is &quot;worse&quot; but the &quot;less-worse&quot; stuff isn&#039;t all peaches &amp; cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s not that simple. Facebook collects structured, specific information that makes it ridiculously easy for them / their partners / application developers / a good hacker to build a complete psychological (or other) profile on you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, but it&#8217;s a matter of degrees. for a touchy-feely version of a nice way to scrape &#038; track blogs with certain text strings (eg. &#8220;i hate george bush&#8221;), see:<br />
<a href="http://www.wefeelfine.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wefeelfine.org/</a></p>
<p>facebook hands it all over on a silver platter in structured format, true, but every time we post and link; every time someone else links to us; everytime we sign up using openid, we are structuring data too &#8211; for &#8220;them&#8221; and for &#8220;us.&#8221; not to mention all the other stuff you don&#8217;t do: post/tag in flickr &#038; delicious &#038; twitter etc.</p>
<p>so yes, facebook is &#8220;worse&#8221; but the &#8220;less-worse&#8221; stuff isn&#8217;t all peaches &#038; cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Mansour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Mansour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The delete-my-Facebook crusade continues over chez Steve:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not about Facebook; it&#039;s about making sure that we don&#039;t establish a dangerous precedent for how we blindly hand over private data to web corporations. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree wholeheartedly with Steve, though as a guy with a URL that is: hughmcguire.net, who writes regularly about most of what you need to know about me if you were the secret police, I wonder how we digital privacy advocates will fare when the boots start stomping. Even if I decide to delete everything, you could still go visit the wayback machine to see what I had to say.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not that simple. Facebook collects structured, specific information that makes it ridiculously easy for them / their partners / application developers / a good hacker to build a complete psychological (or other) profile on you.

- &quot;Liberal Activists of Middle Eastern Descent in the Montreal area? Round &#039;em up!&quot;
-  &quot;Sir, this profile presents signs in line with possible future criminal activity. We should keep an eye on them.&quot;
- Etc.

Yes, I share lots on my blog that could constitute private information, but it&#039;s not presented or structured in such a way that an organization could cull in any useful manner. Facebook is the great data miner in the sky.

Secondly, it&#039;s also about the relationships we present inside Facebook. If I&#039;m involved in activities that could be considered sketchy (I&#039;m not), and my friend is about to get hired for a new job, I don&#039;t want their employer finding their profile and seeing their link to me. Private voluntary disclosure is one thing; association / congregation privacy is a whole other ballpark.

And about &quot;how we will fare when the boots start stomping&quot;, I&#039;ll do fine. Think of resisters side by side in line, all dressed differently, all wearing masks.

Now think of Facebook users and picture a guy in the front holding a big neon sign that says &quot;My name is John! This is why you should get me first!&quot; ;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;on a design note, the traces left in my eyeballs from trying to read steve’s bold-glowing-white-on-black-with-red site are still visible, three minutes later, as I write this on my white wp interface … ah… there…. gone now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You really do need to get that checked. It&#039;s for power savings... *

* ... says the guy who just bought an 800w power supply for his desktop so that he can play Crysis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The delete-my-Facebook crusade continues over chez Steve:</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not about Facebook; it&#8217;s about making sure that we don&#8217;t establish a dangerous precedent for how we blindly hand over private data to web corporations. </p>
<blockquote><p>I agree wholeheartedly with Steve, though as a guy with a URL that is: hughmcguire.net, who writes regularly about most of what you need to know about me if you were the secret police, I wonder how we digital privacy advocates will fare when the boots start stomping. Even if I decide to delete everything, you could still go visit the wayback machine to see what I had to say.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not that simple. Facebook collects structured, specific information that makes it ridiculously easy for them / their partners / application developers / a good hacker to build a complete psychological (or other) profile on you.</p>
<p>- &#8220;Liberal Activists of Middle Eastern Descent in the Montreal area? Round &#8216;em up!&#8221;<br />
-  &#8220;Sir, this profile presents signs in line with possible future criminal activity. We should keep an eye on them.&#8221;<br />
- Etc.</p>
<p>Yes, I share lots on my blog that could constitute private information, but it&#8217;s not presented or structured in such a way that an organization could cull in any useful manner. Facebook is the great data miner in the sky.</p>
<p>Secondly, it&#8217;s also about the relationships we present inside Facebook. If I&#8217;m involved in activities that could be considered sketchy (I&#8217;m not), and my friend is about to get hired for a new job, I don&#8217;t want their employer finding their profile and seeing their link to me. Private voluntary disclosure is one thing; association / congregation privacy is a whole other ballpark.</p>
<p>And about &#8220;how we will fare when the boots start stomping&#8221;, I&#8217;ll do fine. Think of resisters side by side in line, all dressed differently, all wearing masks.</p>
<p>Now think of Facebook users and picture a guy in the front holding a big neon sign that says &#8220;My name is John! This is why you should get me first!&#8221; ;)</p>
<blockquote><p>on a design note, the traces left in my eyeballs from trying to read steve’s bold-glowing-white-on-black-with-red site are still visible, three minutes later, as I write this on my white wp interface … ah… there…. gone now.</p></blockquote>
<p>You really do need to get that checked. It&#8217;s for power savings&#8230; *</p>
<p>* &#8230; says the guy who just bought an 800w power supply for his desktop so that he can play Crysis&#8230;</p>
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